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Dev Larren
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Posted - 2005.12.01 18:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Sarkos
Sarkos reads the GalNet and smiles a relaxed and relieved smile.
To the Caldari insisting this sample is the property of the Caldari state, I wish to point out that it was recovered from the wreckage of a Caldari destroyed ship, in Minmatar space. The attackers left it, thus under intergalactic and CONCORD SALVAGE laws, it belongs to the finder. That would be the Ushra'Khan. You hold claim to the formula, but not this sample. Check with your litigators and you will find this is true.
Now I call upon CONCORD to enforce this law of salvage and assure the Insorum sample we salvaged is not set upon by those that falsely claim it.
Sarkos
I assume you are basing this interpretation of the law on ancient customs of salvage at sea in an age before space-flight in which case your argument is fatally flawed. Laws of salvage are based on the concept that there should be just reward to a rescuer who imperils themselves or incurs cost in order to secure the property of someone. It does not give them ownership of the property.
Full ownership of salvaged goods to those that salvage it only occurs when no owner can be identified. In this case it is well-known who owns the property.
In this case the stolen property should be returned to the rightful owner - which is the Caldari argument you have chosen to dismiss with your flawed legal argument - but the salvagers are then entitled to compensation from the rightful owner. I am sure they could pursue that with the Chief Executive Panel.
In any case you cannot use "Laws Of Salvage" to make a Minmatar claim. That just strengthens our hand. Best hit the books and try again.
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Posted - 2005.12.02 06:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rocius
Originally by: Dev Larren
*** snip *** nonsense and drivil
I should think that CAIN had learned its lesson when they first stirred up this pot. The Caldari are nearly as heavy in fault for Vitoc to begin with as is the Amarrians. Should you wish to pursue this course yet again, I think you will find that Since the Electus Matari has formed into a much more cohesive entity then when you met us last, your losses will be far greater when we meet again. For your own sake, keep clear of this issue.
Let's hope you are better at fighting in ships than with words given your inability to respond to my reasoning. I do like it when an opponent concedes defeat to my superior rhetoric never-the-less. Thankyou.
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Posted - 2005.12.02 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Athena Minerva
Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
These laws of salvage apply...So I guess that means, you have as much claim to the intellectual property of Ishukone as Amarrians have to the stock of your people.
They are seperate issues. Although the Ushra'Khan legally own the Insorum Prototype they routinely break Amarr law. That is not debatable but equally does not render their right to the salvage void.
Need I point out again (for the simple-minded and for those not paying attention the first time)... they have no right of ownership through salvage as the rights of salvage DO NOT give the right of possession but only a right to compensation or reward for the slavage... The insorium prototype remains a stolen product. You are right only right in stating it is not debatable: it is still legally the property of Ishukone. It is illegally held by the U'K.
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Posted - 2005.12.04 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sarkos
Originally by: Dev Larren
Originally by: Athena Minerva
Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen
These laws of salvage apply...So I guess that means, you have as much claim to the intellectual property of Ishukone as Amarrians have to the stock of your people.
They are seperate issues. Although the Ushra'Khan legally own the Insorum Prototype they routinely break Amarr law. That is not debatable but equally does not render their right to the salvage void.
Need I point out again (for the simple-minded and for those not paying attention the first time)... they have no right of ownership through salvage as the rights of salvage DO NOT give the right of possession but only a right to compensation or reward for the slavage... The insorium prototype remains a stolen product. You are right only right in stating it is not debatable: it is still legally the property of Ishukone. It is illegally held by the U'K.
Please show the law you have refered to, and not a Caldari version but one of CONCORD draft. Thank you.
A good response but the onus is not on me to prove the salvage laws. I know the product to be the stolen property of Ishukone. It is your people that are trying to claim ownership of a product through a misinterpretation of the ancient customs and laws of salvage. It is for you to produce the supporting evidence. The fact remains that you have the product and there is little we can do about it as things stand but it remains a stolen product.
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Posted - 2005.12.04 11:39:00 -
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That is indeed if you do really have anything... I am still sceptical about anything surviving the shuttle explosion. I suspect a publicity stunt which in a way makes me one of the many "gullible" participants so far.
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